tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30931389.post1522300352099516123..comments2023-09-06T05:48:05.398-06:00Comments on Terry's Place: Making the Formula WorkTerry Odellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11610682530545306687noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30931389.post-70876855469517149232011-12-20T18:33:21.186-07:002011-12-20T18:33:21.186-07:00I guess I've been lucky because I've read ...I guess I've been lucky because I've read very few books that might be classified as "formulaic". I sure do like the journey I take when I read your books, Terry!!Karen Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01879661976460705463noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30931389.post-47881773100611045002011-12-20T02:31:18.752-07:002011-12-20T02:31:18.752-07:00You are so right, Terry. It is the journey that ma...You are so right, Terry. It is the journey that matters. We might know our hero/heroine will survive, but we don't know how.<br />Excellent post as alwaysMegan Johnshttp://www.megan-johns.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30931389.post-69342389837011147772011-12-19T20:40:22.206-07:002011-12-19T20:40:22.206-07:00Jess - "Those Little Books" sure sell a ...Jess - "Those Little Books" sure sell a lot of copies!Terry Odellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11610682530545306687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30931389.post-88157992004687943982011-12-19T18:40:55.145-07:002011-12-19T18:40:55.145-07:00I popped in because I'm looking for "a fo...I popped in because I'm looking for "a formula." :) Excellent post. When my Silhouette Romance came out, I heard all those comments. Even my own my mother asked, "You mean they have booksignings for those little books?"<br /><br />Vonnie, yes, challenge him to write one but more than that... challenge him to sell it!Jessica Fergusonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18320362797117599955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30931389.post-66738765188081095102011-12-19T17:57:44.078-07:002011-12-19T17:57:44.078-07:00Susan M - I definitely don't want to finish a ...Susan M - I definitely don't want to finish a book and feel depressed.<br /><br />Katherine - I totally agree. Knowing where you'll end up isn't knowing how you'll get there.<br /><br />Calisa - good luck with your project. Glad to give you something to think about.<br /><br />Susan O - very true. We're not reinventing the wheel, just shining it up a little.Terry Odellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11610682530545306687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30931389.post-31683549392528098672011-12-19T15:55:58.979-07:002011-12-19T15:55:58.979-07:00I always keep in mind something a professor told m...I always keep in mind something a professor told me when we were talking about literature. He said (and I agree) it's much harder to write a story that's already been told (a formula) than to create something new. First, there's nothing new to be created in literature--every story has been told--so the challenge is in how well you tell the old story to a new audience. Second, whatever you write is meant to entertain and inform (not lecture, just inform). We write to be read and enjoyed. Tell a good story however you want. That works for me.Susan Oleksiwhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02693057997469296068noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30931389.post-49424179353753313472011-12-19T15:19:15.559-07:002011-12-19T15:19:15.559-07:00I've read books like that. The one that, even ...I've read books like that. The one that, even though I know how it will end, I have to find out how they do it. I enjoy that kind of book most because it keeps the book from feeling formulaic. Thanks for something to think about the next time I'm getting ready to start a new project.Calisa Rhosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07743891437445099016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30931389.post-78709954516611282772011-12-19T14:55:52.595-07:002011-12-19T14:55:52.595-07:00I tend to avoid literary fiction because in my exp...I tend to avoid literary fiction because in my experience, more often than not, the story ends with the main character(s) miserable or in a worse position than when they started. <br /><br />I like to read a wide variety of genres that can be described as being written to a formula but maybe that's one of the reasons I do. In a mystery, I know the killer will be revealed, but not necessarily caught and punished, at the end. In a romance novel, I know the hero and heroine will get the HEA they deserve and so on. As a writer, I like to see how different writers put their spins on those "formulas."Katherinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13752337710626176062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30931389.post-20594984083056394732011-12-19T14:30:53.680-07:002011-12-19T14:30:53.680-07:00I read romance because I want that happy ending. B...I read romance because I want that happy ending. But the writer can take me through as many twists and turns as it takes to get there, so long as the ending is satisfying. The last thing I need is a read that will leave me depressed in the end.Susan Macateehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07476340887041053638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30931389.post-27177615561534001182011-12-19T12:10:00.384-07:002011-12-19T12:10:00.384-07:00Rebecca - yep, execution is everything. Thanks for...Rebecca - yep, execution is everything. Thanks for stopping by.Terry Odellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11610682530545306687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30931389.post-87892914002123250472011-12-19T10:40:01.166-07:002011-12-19T10:40:01.166-07:00Great blog post! I agree that having a promise of...Great blog post! I agree that having a promise of a happy ending makes me pick up a book. Sure, I'll go for a wild ride on the way, but I want that HEA on the other side.<br /><br />To stay on the ride, it has to be interesting and emotional. THere's no formula for that. :)<br /><br />Happy Holidays!Rebecca Zanettihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06252156888953212601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30931389.post-77523685771469621752011-12-19T10:37:39.974-07:002011-12-19T10:37:39.974-07:00Vonnie -- tell him to write one!Vonnie -- tell him to write one!Terry Odellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11610682530545306687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30931389.post-14992921465853589322011-12-19T10:19:52.782-07:002011-12-19T10:19:52.782-07:00There is a lovely man in our writers' group wh...There is a lovely man in our writers' group who consistently says romance is just "boy meets girl, boy loses girl, boy gets girl." I want to wrap my fingers around his throat. Yet many feel that way. What they don't realize is that it's equally as hard to write to those "reader expectations" in a unique, pulse-pounding and interesting way than to write a story with all that literary purple prose. <br /><br />Writing kissing and sex scenes that all sound different and yet sensual become harder with each book. Yet we keep stretching and reaching our goals.<br /><br />Super post.Vonnie Davis ~ Romance Authorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07360480832587538895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30931389.post-63165087268872994582011-12-19T08:15:08.523-07:002011-12-19T08:15:08.523-07:00Paul - the popularity of the so-called "formu...Paul - the popularity of the so-called "formula fiction" proves your point. I'm certainly not ashamed to be writing "those books."<br /><br />Jacqueline - anyone who tries to write formula fiction will learn it's no simple task. Not if they expect readers to buy it.Terry Odellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11610682530545306687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30931389.post-40123215479246494532011-12-19T08:11:21.649-07:002011-12-19T08:11:21.649-07:00Plblair - Good points. It's the 'how' ...Plblair - Good points. It's the 'how' not the 'if'.<br /><br />Angela - Yes, to listen to some, it's a matter of finding a free weekend and writing a romance. I agree--let 'em try!Terry Odellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11610682530545306687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30931389.post-18166055031586074652011-12-19T08:07:51.356-07:002011-12-19T08:07:51.356-07:00I read romance, romantic suspense, Regency, etc. b...I read romance, romantic suspense, Regency, etc. because these novels entertain me. Yes, they are an escape from reality. They make life more enjoyable. I like knowing there will be a happy ending. But as you say, it's the journey, not the destination that matters most. I don't like "formula" fiction which uses cliches and I won't write it. I want to write something original and unique that still fits the genre. Journey forth!Jacqueline Seewaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09177500620940251009noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30931389.post-89223230367172158932011-12-19T07:59:09.507-07:002011-12-19T07:59:09.507-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Paul McDermotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02430184962132539192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30931389.post-49424247522640963502011-12-19T07:59:08.950-07:002011-12-19T07:59:08.950-07:00There's a world of difference between Charles ...There's a world of difference between Charles Dickens writing a weekly chapter to meet the deadline imposed by the newspaper paying him a miserable stipend to put food on the table for the latest "formulaic" [???] episode of a serial ... and the scriptwriter of e.g. "Columbo" where the viewer knows from the start whodunnit and is supposed to realize how clever the detective is at the conclusion of a 60-min TV show.<br /><br />"Formulas" sell more than just baby meals - they can also pay household bills ...Paul McDermotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02430184962132539192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30931389.post-55157643795158703082011-12-19T07:32:58.366-07:002011-12-19T07:32:58.366-07:00I want to choke those you describe in the beginnin...I want to choke those you describe in the beginning and say 'you try it, buster' -- especially Romance, which is lowest on the ladder even in genre fiction. Writing convincing emotion is HARD. If there's a formula that made this all easy, I've been an idiot and wasted lots of time :)<br /><br />Seriously, though-- yes, it's the 'how' that will pull in the readers, and THAT part is what makes writing fun and challenging.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30931389.post-16647612511616545422011-12-19T07:16:14.190-07:002011-12-19T07:16:14.190-07:00Terry, I absolutely agree with you. I read to esca...Terry, I absolutely agree with you. I read to escape - and I want happy endings (I write for the same goal). But as writers, we can put our main characters through the wringer - and make our readers wonder not "if" the character will survive, but ... "how."<br />I love putting my characters in tight spots. It creates suspense, which is what (I think) the reader really wants.plblairhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06248481115350288916noreply@blogger.com